Covid Incompetence

[ns86]

If only we had learned from my Wife's Great Uncle, today's Google DOODLE, Dr Wu Lien-Teh.

He was after all the Plague Fighter for The League of Nations, now the U.N. and the WHO. In 1911 a 100% deadly Plague of Pneumonic Black Death never even became a Pandemic, the first time in History it was successfully controlled.

The Manchurian Plague Epidemic was brought under control with 60,000 dead, 100% of the infected died.

100 years later the world stops for a 2% deadly Pandemic, with Millions of casualties.

We are doomed to neglect the lessons of the past, and COVID is the perfect example.

I have researched Dr Wu for years and I believe the WHO was grossly negligent in it's handling of this Pandemic. It failed miserably from the start.

https://www.google.com/doodles/dr-wu-li ... d-birthday

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Lien-teh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchurian_plague

[lost1750GTV]

Not to undercut his obvious achievements but...
People weren't as mobile then, so a lot easier to contain, especially in a relatively isolated region.
Spanish flue a few years later, with troop ships and returning populations, was a different story.
This thing traveled by plane to Italy, and spread fast. Really no comparison, as this isn't the past.

[ns86]

Really no comparison, as this isn't the past.

Actually he is responsible for stoping The Plague from going Global with travel restrictions/quarantine, and is credited with saving the world over from a global Plague Pandemic which would have killed tens of millions.

Restricting travel is one of the cornerstones of controlling outbreaks. Witness the trouble controlling Covid. Our freedom is more important. This is how New Zealand and Australia are ahead of other western countries in containing Covid.

People weren't as mobile then, so a lot easier to contain, especially in a relatively isolated region.

British, Japanese, Russians were all there in mass and it was like the Paris of the Orient. Chinese new Year as well so tens of thousands travelling on the railways at the time. It almost got out on ships but was LOCKED DOWN JUST IN TIME. A historical fact.

[ns86]

Dr Wu's infectious decease protocols are still the foundation of all Medical efforts to control outbreaks to this day. SARS, MERS, COVID, EBOLA etc. take your pick.

Past and Present makes no difference, the WHO failed to implement Global Travel Restrictions at the Onset, A CRITICAl TIME.

[lost1750GTV]

I'm sure not saying everything was done right or as quickly as could have been done worldwide - politicians were encouraging people in big east coast cities to go to restaurants before they did an about face.
The goal was slow it so Healthcare wouldn't be overwhelmed, but wait for herd immunity. No one thought the much criticized trump would have vacines out and being distributed before leaving office.
Australia is pretty isolated , New Zealand more so. Silly to compare with Italy, Switzerland, France etc.

I guess you can complain that China didn't recognize it quick enough and do a full shutdown, and you wouldn't get much argument on that point.

[ns86]

Silly to compare with Italy, Switzerland, France etc.

Hardly! Canada didn't restrict air Travel till a few weeks ago. Australia had lots of Air Traffic, but they required Quarantine stays in hotels until people were clear of Covid and relied on contact tracing and only allowed in as many as could be managed by that PROTOCOL. It could have been slowed down tremendously worldwide, but it wasn't regarded as a priority outside of Asia, who for the most part did implement such restrictions.

A month or 2 of hardship at the onset would have prevented a year of hardship, death and isolation.

I am saying the WHO and China dropped the ball. They let Chinese New Years Travel proceed, they should have prevented that spread. Both knew better, a fact history will remember.

DR Wu's Autobiography is almost 700 pages and he had near 100 scientific papers published. That kind of knowledge is not quickly searched and understood

I have relations around the world fighting Covid.

This post is to inform those who are interested in facts. Not "Silly to Compare", "Herd Immunity" opinions and Trump's Vaccines.

If that's your contribution, please keep it to yourself.

[Jeff B]

I have researched Dr Wu for years and I believe the WHO was grossly negligent in it's handling of this Pandemic. It failed miserably from the start.

I think the real question is "Was it negligence or was it deliberately spread?" I think that there is more than one politician that used it to their advantage.

[lost1750GTV]

Anyone who thinks it wasn't a priority January last year in Italy is just a little slow, but then again anyone who compares travel from Manchuria 100 years ago to now ....

From my seat, my wife cancelled all her business trips, which included asia and italy/switzerland, and my scheduled trip to ... canada in early January 2020.
And for the record ,all suggestions of restricting international travel from the guy who brought vacines so quickly were met with calls of racism and paranoia. Political science ruled

[ns86]

lost1750GTV said:

but then again anyone who compares travel from Manchuria 100 years ago to now ....

You say one think and contradict yourself every time. Lack of critical thinking there. Travel is travel, 100 years ago or today. Obviously larger scale today but fundamentally no different in epidemiology, but hey YOU are The EXPERT.

Wasn't me that brought up the American Flue(Spanish) Pandemic and the part about Ships spreading it around the world 100 years ago. Both Woodrow Wilson and Trump respectively ignored the threats and let them spread.

President Wilson's dismissal of it was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions by assuring a Global Pandemic. America contaminated the world, WITH SHIPS, NOT PLANES! 100 years ago AS YOU SAID YOURSELF.
No different to the spread of Covid 100 years later so your argument is complete BULLSHIT


WHO was Negligent, China likely Allowed it out on purpose with their help.

[ns86]

lost1750GTV said:

Anyone who thinks it wasn't a priority January last year in Italy is just a little slow,

WTF. Who said any such thing. Of course it was serious.

So your response is to insult with a made up narrative. Extrapolate your truth somewhere else please, your bias is showing.

[lost1750GTV]

"It wasn't regarded as a priority outside asia"
Last I checked Italy is outside Asia, even if you can get there a lot faster now than you could 100 years ago.

Well, there was one person complaining/blaming China and WHO, but he was drowned out by the rest of the world, and called nasty names for it.

[ns86]

100 years ago the Plague could have traveled through Asian to Europe in the span of days on the railroad if he didn't Shut the system down. Makes little difference Hours vs Days ( Plane vs Train ).
The difference is a problem when it's Weeks vs Months (Ships vs Land Travel). Plane vs Train is the fundamental that hasn't changed much in 100 years. The 100 years before that, you would be correct.

Trudeau is our Virtue signaller in chief. Our officials accused Canadians who wanted to restrict travel from Wuhan Racist. Ironically, the best response in Canada was the City of Richmond BC with their high population of Asians who were scarred shitless, didn't trust China's story, and did what was needed, starting with masks 3 months before our Leaders implemented ANY measures. BC's Mild infection to this day, was due to them. I am a pure-bred White guy, and give them a lot of Credit. And some Canadians beat up on them regardless even though they saved BC's ass.

Canada didn't do a very good job of it, only looks good beside the US response.They lied to us for months.

In Canada, Our Ministry of Health helped to draft the North American Infectious Disease Response Protocol and in their infinite wisdom deduced that Border restrictions were not even a topic for discussion in Response Protocol. Essentially, closing the US Canada Border was useless as Viruses don't acknowledge Borders.

Mind boggling.

We still refuse to open it up to anything but essential traffic, so that messaging, just like masks, was turned upside down.

Dr Wu studied under 3 Nobel Laureates and was considered the best in the world at the time.
His Protocol is still the Global Standard in Infectious Disease Response.

[giron]

China and the world would be a better place if that murderer of Mao doesn't have his picture on the wall of the forbidden city. The picture that needs to be on that wall is Sun Yat-sen

[ns86]

Giron, For once we agree on something. My wife is also related to one of Sun Yat-sen's wives, one of the Soong Sisters.
Dr Wu served the Last Emperor, Sun Yat-sen, and Chiang Kai-shek. Another Soong sister married Chiang Kai-shek. Not being political he knew and worked for them all through that era of transition. Dr Wu was for the People and Democracy, not Communism

[giron]

The flag that needs to be flying over Beijing is the flag that is flying over Taiwan.