57V wiring Harness

[Redline Junkie]

Today I picked up an excellent 57V harness and was wonder what year and CDI it will work with?

My 87 uses 1WV
My 85 Canadian uses 1AG
My Junked 84 uses 33E

So what does 57V fit??

[JonW]

option B.... 85 Canadian uses 1AG.

Its an 'F1' harness.

[Redline Junkie]

So 57V is the same as 1AG?

[JonW]

Well I think so... Its what the base 57V is really.... ie, an F1 in the UK/EU... same bike but diff colours is 1AR (350) or 1GA (250) in Aus... dunno about the Canadian model numbers but you get the idea... basically Its the first faired model, with the 83/4 back end. :)

While there may well be some detail differences the main model parts are the same, ie the loom. If the local market had some extra stuff then it would have been different but the F1s were all the same I think, and not being sold in the US meant no cats etc, and no one had any extra lights for anything so I think we all had the same 57v loom. Its a rare one year loom, if its a good condition one then you should be thankful, many are not of course and they are hard to find now.

[Redline Junkie]

Super, I will compair it to mine. It is excellent condition with nice fuse panel. Bonus in a box lot that include 1UA cylinders at .25 and other treats.

I need to mail the tool kit to you. Need anything else Jon?

[silverstrom]

Well I think so... Its what the base 57V is really.... ie, an F1 in the UK/EU... same bike but diff colours is 1AR (350) or 1GA (250) in Aus... dunno about the Canadian model numbers but you get the idea... basically Its the first faired model, with the 83/4 back end. :)

While there may well be some detail differences the main model parts are the same, ie the loom. If the local market had some extra stuff then it would have been different but the F1s were all the same I think, and not being sold in the US meant no cats etc, and no one had any extra lights for anything so I think we all had the same 57v loom. Its a rare one year loom, if its a good condition one then you should be thankful, many are not of course and they are hard to find now.

57V is a Euro market 85. Almost identical to the 1AG Canadian 85, barring any performance restrictions imposed by government.

The differences would be side stand switch and the headlight function, and maybe signals. Many markets don't require the side stand switch. In Canada (1AG) we have just hi beam/low beam. Other markets have a park light in the headlight as well. 85 Canadian headlight frames have 57V stickers on them, but the headlights don't have the tiny park bulb inside that runs from an extra wire in the harness. There may also be differences in the signals as some markets require running lights. The TZR is the same way. So, other than the side stand switch, headlight, and signals, everything else should be the same between 57V and 1AG.

[Redline Junkie]

Ok I will check it out and report findings. Thanks guys.

Another question: I opened a banshee transmission today I got in the lot for the crank and noticed the clutch plates were wider, like FZ750 plates. Does the banshee come stock with larger plates?

[JonW]

Well I think so... Its what the base 57V is really.... ie, an F1 in the UK/EU... same bike but diff colours is 1AR (350) or 1GA (250) in Aus... dunno about the Canadian model numbers but you get the idea... basically Its the first faired model, with the 83/4 back end. :)

While there may well be some detail differences the main model parts are the same, ie the loom. If the local market had some extra stuff then it would have been different but the F1s were all the same I think, and not being sold in the US meant no cats etc, and no one had any extra lights for anything so I think we all had the same 57v loom. Its a rare one year loom, if its a good condition one then you should be thankful, many are not of course and they are hard to find now.

57V is a Euro market 85. Almost identical to the 1AG Canadian 85, barring any performance restrictions imposed by government.

The differences would be side stand switch and the headlight function, and maybe signals. Many markets don't require the side stand switch. In Canada (1AG) we have just hi beam/low beam. Other markets have a park light in the headlight as well. 85 Canadian headlight frames have 57V stickers on them, but the headlights don't have the tiny park bulb inside that runs from an extra wire in the harness. There may also be differences in the signals as some markets require running lights. The TZR is the same way. So, other than the side stand switch, headlight, and signals, everything else should be the same between 57V and 1AG.

John is right that small details may differ depending on the market with the loom, but you may well be fine with a 57V if you dont want things like the sidestand switch etc. The headlight thing will be different of course, my F1 has lights on and off as well as hi/lo and we have park too. The 57V does have those lights for sure as I have a 57V in my bike which has them. I dont have a side stand switch but would have just ignored that wiring or bridged it anyway, I hate em (its an off road thing LOL). UK/EU/Aus dont have running lights so 57V doesnt have them.

[JonW]

I need to mail the tool kit to you. Need anything else Jon?

Right now I dont need anything else Rob, it was only the small tool tray :( I bet Jason needs something tho... haha! I hope he doesnt see this... but I know he will, he is always looking for 57V parts... Like I am.

Actually talking 57V.... What I do need is a 57V labelled screen... I dont mind one I need to polish, Im happy to put in those hours, I just need it not to be cracked or aftermarket as its for my resto F1. :)

[L.B]

Ummm what Jon meant was that he's after 2 57v screens......lol.
Rob if you dont need that harness id be interested in it,may as well send a list of whatever else you have lol. Combined postage is always a good thing.

[Redline Junkie]

Is this the one you need?

[JonW]

I know John, Im still gutted I didnt ask for one sooner; one should not keep quiet about the things one needs for their resto :)

As John says the OEM ones have the bike code etched into the acrylic and then usually picked out in white. Sunloid is a Japanese brand so that could well be OEM, the paint looks well done for start, thats a good giveaway LOL.

Im always interested in a screen for resto... drop me a PM if you have an idea on what you need for it?

[silverstrom]

I know John, Im still gutted I didnt ask for one sooner; one should not keep quiet about the things one needs for their resto :)

As John says the OEM ones have the bike code etched into the acrylic and then usually picked out in white. Sunloid is a Japanese brand so that could well be OEM, the paint looks well done for start, thats a good giveaway LOL.

Im always interested in a screen for resto... drop me a PM if you have an idea on what you need for it?

Lol...Jon, I deleted my post just before you posted yours, so the conversation looks a bit odd there. I read mine again and didn't want to seem like I was answering for you and thought I should remove it.

For anyone curious, what I said was, a proper 57V screen will have it clearly stenciled in the black area near the top left. While they are all the same screens from 85-90 for the F1 and F2, not all are model designation marked and very few marked 57V have passed through my hands. I've seen only a few and gave a perfect one away last year before I knew Jon needed one.

To add to that: the 57V screen I had came from a fairing I bought in Germany, and that is the correct original screen for a Euro bike. I have never seen a 57V screen that originated in Canada and that may be because no 57V bikes were ever sold here. I wonder if that is the case for Australia as well? The 57V model designation is Europe only.

The RZ500 screen is identical to the RZ350, but is stenciled 47X.

And one more last bit of information; my understanding is that while the original screens that came with the bikes were stenciled, replacement screens from Yamaha were not. That is why you rarely see screens with model designation stamps in the black area these days. Most have been replaced over the past 30 years and even though they are genuine Yamaha, they are not marked as the originals were.

[JonW]

All good points John, I also agree that the 57V designation was a EU/UK thing and that the ROW has bikes that were not 57V, like we had 1GA etc The strange thing is Ive never seen a screen stencilled anything other than 47X or 57V, and of course either would be great for a resto, but Ive no real idea what was on the bikes in Aus when new, I assumed 57V, but it could just as easily have been 47X I guess. hmm...

[Redline Junkie]

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So here is a few pics and looks like no side stand switch as you guys thought and extra brown wire around the head light area. I would consider letting this one go if someone was interested.