Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#331 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:24 pm

Service M54 - Repack upper silencers...

Okay, I’m back up to recent times with my posts again.

So I thought this next task was going to pretty quick and simple. I was wrong! A frozen silencer added quite a bit of extra time to the project.

The first step was uncovering the top silencers by taking the tank and tail section off, which is a total of 3 fasteners and two quick-disconnect fuel fittings.

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Once the silencers are totally exposed the guts could be removed.

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The left side slid out with a little persuasion. Yep, it was overdue for a re-pack.

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But that’s where the difficulty came in. The right side would not budge no matter what I did. I ended up having to drill out the rivets holding the aluminum housing on, and sliding it off so I could get some penetrating oil in the joint and wiggle it around better. With a ton of effort, it finally broke loose.

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Here are the internals, all painted up.

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And repacked. I was just winging it… I never read about the proper way to repack a silencer.

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Now back in.

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Tail section on. I never did care for the fact that the pipe centerline doesn’t match the radius center of the bodywork opening, but fixing that would mean rework to the tail light, mounts and chambers themselves… beyond the scope of Phase 2, for sure. So I will continue to live with it.

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Another shot from the side. It looks fine from this angle!

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M54 Total Cost: US$0.00 (Paint and packing from inventory)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#332 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:45 pm

Service C66 - Add redundant fuel shutoff valve...

If you read my RZ350 Revival thread, you can see what damage a failed fuel shutoff can do to a bike. And ever since I read about the TZR250 fuel tank tap being a direct fit for the RZ500 tank, I wanted to install one to serve as a secondary shutoff valve.

Here are a couple shots of part number 3MA-24510-00 as it came out of the box.

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Here is a side by side comparison of the OEM RZ500 tap and the TZR tap. I noticed the top lid on the OEM tap was missing and just letting un-strained fuel down into the valve… good time to be replacing it!

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The lever is going to stick down quite a bit further and here is a measurement.

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Before taking the old fuel tap off, I applied piece of tape representing the distance the lever would stick down. If you look closely, you will see the bottom of the tape folded over about a 1/4” (6mm). This means, realistically, I need to gain 3/8” (10mm) of height to fit this in. I deemed that doable and proceeded with the swap.

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Here is the TZR fuel valve mounted on the tank.

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With the front tank mount bolt in place by the steering head, I carefully pivoted the tank down into position. With the lever touching the heat shield, you can see the mis-alignment of the rear tank mount. This 1/4” misalign agrees with my crude tape test.

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To gain some room, I first added a 1/4” spacer under the rear tank mount.

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My tank mount looks different than your because this is my custom spring-loaded version. You can read about it here:
Link - Quick-release on rear fuel tank mount

Its purpose is to keep me from having to remove the long clevis pin that was previously used here. It now takes no tools and I can simple reach down in there and release the locking pins to lift the tank.

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I also thought it would be a good idea to add spacer under the side rubbers to better stabilize the tank. It was a bit wobbly before I did this.

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To get the last 1/8” (3mm) of clearance, I “tweaked” the heat shield a bit locally in that area. My heat shield already had a flange cut off of it by the previous owner, so I figured another mod would hurt. I simply used a ball peen hammer to persuade it into shape.

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Here is the clearance I ended up with after the tank was securely mounted down.

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With the small notch designed in this aftermarket tail and seat, its simple to reach down and unlatch the tank mount, and arc the tank up with the front tank bolt still in place. The tank passes through the seat notch nicely, as shown here.

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And there is plenty of slack in the fuel lines to adequate lift the tank for operating the new fuel valve. The valve wasn’t cheap, but I’m very happy with the functionality of this modification.

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C67 Total Cost: US$100.00 (Fuel tap with shutoff)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#333 Post by busa1300 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:09 pm

I used that tap on my bike.
I just made a different heat shield.
Getting at the lever takes a bit of practice without lifting the tank.
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#334 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:23 pm

busa1300 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:09 pm I used that tap on my bike.
I just made a different heat shield.
Getting at the lever takes a bit of practice without lifting the tank.
I honestly don't know the arrangement on a stock bike, but on this one with Tommy Crawford chambers and AirTech bodywork, there would be no way to get to it reaching from the underside. I considered making an extension for the valve lever that would let me remote actuate it from an easy-to-reach location, but I'm glad I didn't bother. It is extremely easy to lift the tank and open up the valve.

Another thing I noticed with the two valve system... If I open the tank valve first and pay attention, I can watch some fuel fill the line between the new tank valve and the OEM valve. This tells me the first valve was doing its job (a line completely full might signify a problem). When turning the OEM valve to "PRI", I should then see a bit more fuel trickle from that second valve to fill the carb lines. that tells me the second one is working properly.
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#335 Post by lost1750GTV » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:32 pm

I have to drain my tank(again) and check that filter.
It would seem that it can become clogged, but get unclogged with more fuel, contributing to my jetting/carb confusion.
Of course before I luther modded the petcock to give a real "off" it flowed like an sob during removal of lines - now it seems to be at more than a trickle, but insufficient flow to run past 8000. Which it has done in the past with smaller jets but overflowing plug fouling float levels.
Looking forward to being done with fuel issues.

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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#336 Post by tacky1 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:11 pm

I cut the tip of the lever on both my taps on both my bikes and then you dont have any probs hitting the heat shield or need to make spacers, Didn't make any difference to the twisting motion etc.
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#337 Post by Smoker » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:53 pm

Respect!👍

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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#338 Post by lost1750GTV » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:40 am

Filter fine as previously "demonstrated".
Seems it must be the fuel lines getting kinked . Of course I thought I had the routing with k&n/petcock relocation sorted.
I'd say the luther mod is simpler than a petcock you can't reach.

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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#339 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 am

lost1750GTV - Yeah, those fuel issues can be a real pain. Just a thought on the clogged/unclogged filter… maybe the extra fuel in the tank is helping to create a bit more pressure to assist with filling your hoses to the carbs. Check that you have downhill slope in all your lines with the bike upright and leaned some (like on the kickstand).

The stock fuel valve will flow very well, so it shouldn’t be starving for fuel with modded or unmodded version, I wouldn’t think. I just did a flowrate test on my bike with stock valve and I will be sharing the results shortly.

tacky1 - You know I like to take the difficult route when I can. Haha. I just couldn’t bring myself to cutting that brand new (expensive) valve. Maybe I will cut it someday and remove the spacers.

smoker - Glad you approve!

lost1750GTV - again - I didn’t see this until after I wrote my other response, but yes, check those lines!

In my case, I wanted redundancy. And a system where I could check that both were still functioning properly. That large disk seal in the selector valve can crack and fail as easily as the vacuum shutoff can stop functioning. I have 2 valves in all of my gravity feed carbureted bikes now.
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#340 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:47 pm

Service C58 - Replace rear brake line...

I went to ride the RZ500 the other day and my brake pedal went all the way down without applying the rear brake. Did it stop me from taking a little ride to give the bike some exercise… no. But is should have. This bike begs to be ridden hard, but without a rear brake as at least a backup to the front, horrible thoughts flash through my head. Well, a potential wreck final got to me and I ended the ride after just a few miles.

I realized I had never replaced the rear hose like I intended to, so I thought this was a great time to dig into the cause of failure and at the same time, renew that hose. The thought did cross my mind that the hose itself was in fact the cause of the failure.

Before even taking anything apart, I tried a simple fluid flush. Of course that didn’t work because I couldn’t build up any pressure… not even enough to push a little fluid out the bleeder. I suspected a problem in the master cylinder and started by taking that apart. What I found was contamination, and lots of it!

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I had this system all apart in 2014 and surely I would have noticed and cleaned out that reservoir hose back then. So this is all from just 7 years, I guess.

What I’m suspecting caused the pedal going full stroke without creating pressure is a plugged port in the master. These holes are tiny and I suppose it wouldn’t take much to clog them.

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Here is the old hose, which I suspect was the original.

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And here is the new one. I honestly was fine with the look of a black hose, but now this SS version matches the front, so I guess it’s alright. A forum member on here had it for sale at the right time (Thanks!).

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One thing cool about these Galfer lines is you can twist each end fitting to align perfectly with the mating port, but it this case, they were already positioned correctly to avoid twist in the hose. It routed perfectly through the guide.

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A fill and bleed has the system working nicely again.

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Here’s a final shot.

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While I was at it, I decided a flush of the front brakes was probably overdue too since I did them at similar times before. And with all the tools/pans out out, it just added 15 minutes to the job.

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C58 Total Cost: US$45.00 (Brake hose, fluids from stock)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#341 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:00 am

Service C27 - Fuel Flowrate with quick disconnect fittings installed...

For the last 8 or 10 years now, I have used ethanol-free fuel combined with Stabil fuel stabilizer in all my small engines and old vehicles. The last fuel-related issue I have had in anything was with the RZ350, but that was pre-ethanol-free days mixed with a whole bunch of neglect. Even the small hoses on my small engines (mowers, string trimmers, chainsaws, etc.) don’t have to get replaced every two years anymore.

Although Stabil says it works for up to 2 years and even thought the RZ500 was starting and running fine with the old fuel, I realized the fuel in there was much older than that so I decided to drain and replace it. To my defense, I have added a half gallon here and there as it needed it, so some of the fuel is fairly fresh.

Remembering back to when I installed some quick-disconnect fuel fittings from the tank, there was some discussion and concern whether the fuel flow was being restricted in some way. At the time, I wanted to measure this just to set my mind at ease about damaging the engine due to a lean running condition (fuel supply starvation). But it’s better late than never!

Link to prior discussion on flowrate:
http://www.rzrd500.com/500phpBB3/viewto ... 105#p96883

In that reply, it was stated that we are looking for a flowrate greater than XXX. Here is a snip of the recommendations:

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This reply came from forum member Wolfgang:
"I usually do the following math to get a ballpark figure, using expected max. peak fuel consumption. My calculation is in ltrs/100km as we do in most part of Europe, you can modify this to mpg of course:

Assumed max. consumption is 20l/100km at a speed of 200km/h.
Within 1 hour, you would drive 200km = 20l * 2, so you would burn 40l of fuel.
Your fuel lines need to flow a min. of 40l/hour.

So put a fuel line into an empty bottle and measure the amount of fuel you get within a minute. If it is min. 40/60 = 0,67l, you should be safe. If it is 1l per minute, you can feel even better."

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In all honesty, I feel a steady state one hour calculation is possibly understating the peak fuel usage at any given moment. I would venture that twice that flowrate a might be witnessed during a WOT run up through the gears. Perhaps 1.4 liter/minute range might be a more suitable target to set.

First, I rounded up a portable tank to catch the fuel (I always reuse any drained fuel in the mower because it will happily burn anything!).

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Then attached my mating fitting and drain hose to the RESERVE line.

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There was less fuel left in there than I thought and I dumped in into a smaller 1 gallon sized container for easier measuring. Even with the backlighting, the fuel level is difficult to see in this picture, but blue tape marks full gallon and actual height of fuel. The rough amount of fuel in the can is therefore 4.188/6.625 = .632 gallons.

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While I was draining the fuel, I used a stop watch app to measure time, which recorded 83 seconds.

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Doing the math for .632 gallons in 83 seconds works out to:

Fuel Flowrate = 0.457 gpm = 1.73 liter/min.

As I was conducting this test, the speed of the flow indicated it wasn’t going to be a problem (it was flowing fast!), but it’s nice to know the exact number.

After I finished up this little test, I realized I overlooked one small (maybe big?) detail… the tank venting. While I was draining the fuel, I had the cap off the tank. A more thorough test would have had the cap installed to check whether the venting is restricting flow in any way. I guess I will do that another day and at this point, I have the flowrate with tank wide open for comparison.

For now, I can rest assured the fuel line disconnects aren’t an issue.

C27 Total Cost: US$0.00 (Just measurements - Flowrate calcs)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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#342 Post by lost1750GTV » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:34 am

I have regularly determined my flow rate was more than adequate during my petcock, fittings, and float "tests".
Forget to reattach the fuel line connecting the two carbs before turning the petcock on and you are instantly assured the flow rate is more than adequate, and any curiosity is satisfied by the knowledge of the extremely adequate "plenty".

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#343 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:34 am

lost1750GTV wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:34 am I have regularly determined my flow rate was more than adequate during my petcock, fittings, and float "tests".
Forget to reattach the fuel line connecting the two carbs before turning the petcock on and you are instantly assured the flow rate is more than adequate, and any curiosity is satisfied by the knowledge of the extremely adequate "plenty".
LOL. Yes in a panic situation, the flowrate can seem quite excessive!!
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#344 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:31 pm

Service C67 - Reshape foot of Kickstand...

I recently got back into welding again and rigged up a small welding booth for occasional jobs that come along. One thing that has bothered me on this bike since purchasing it in 2012 is the ground down tip of the kickstand, resulting from a previous owners’ unfortunate accident (I’m guessing).

Here is the flat spot in the foot.

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And a close up.

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Welding was really the only way to fix this. Several beads added the extra material back on.

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Then after a little grinding to blend the surfaces, I ended up with this.

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After a quick paint.

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While it was off, I took the opportunity to pinch the clevis together ever so slightly for a snug fit again on the mount.

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And back on the bike.

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C67 Total Cost: US$0.00 (Just a little molten metal and paint from inventory)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE - Florida RZ500 Project (52X)

#345 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:03 pm

Service M51 - Decide if Rick Lance’s cooling system is acceptable for my needs...

At some point along this bikes life, it spent some time in the hands of the late great Rick Lance and I’m really thankful it did. That guy knew what he was doing. The carburation is spot on and I’m impressed how cleanly it pulls from any RPM with any throttle opening. During my conversation with him after purchasing the bike, I didn’t talk specifically about the supplemental radiator, but I’m guessing that’s when it was installed as well.

As homage to Rick and his contributions to this whole 2-wheeled 2-stroke sport, I decided to keep his supplemental radiator in this bike. Although I have the OEM parts to return the cooling system back to stock state, it seems to be working fine as is, so I see no reason to change it. Plus with an overflow bottle now installed, I know the entire system is completely wetted and operating at its peak performance.

Here are some photos I found on the internet when I was doing the early research on my bike back in 2012. This is not my bike, but the auxiliary radiator is the same.

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M51 Total Cost: US$0.00 (The price of “leaving well enough alone”)
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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