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Re: Wynn's bike

#16 Post by giron » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:58 pm

true I totally agree with you a builder can build however he desires, but and always but
" The demands of the service or the importance of the job are never so great that safety should be left out?"

This what I'm trying to get across. Its a shame that most folks in this forum can't see the potential for disaster using two 8mm bolts
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#17 Post by ns86 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:40 pm

I'm not talking about the bolt's of which there are 4 anyway, the others are 10mm like my RGV's. I think you don't answer the question. Suehiro has no cradle in any photo I have seen of either their YZR3ma or the NC30 based NC431v NS400. They suspend the motor only and as such are not highly stressed. Most load being carried by the rear engine mount anyway. The photo's are out there.

YZR500 2nd row right side, blow it up. http://as-suehiro.a.la9.jp/tzr500v.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RC431v Click on page 1. Photo's near the bottom. See other pages as well. http://as-suehiro.a.la9.jp/nc431v.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No Cradle. You consider these unsafe?
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#18 Post by giron » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:03 pm

I do see a bracket between the radiator and the air box not a cradle on the YZR500. I can ask Brian turfrey on this since he is the one that build the pipes since he was part of the Yamaha GP team. Now on the Honda on the bottom I see a Y bracket it stands out. Let me ask you this since everyone in this forum and yourself are against a cradle. Don't you think if you welded two brackets under the frame rails behind the neck. Then use a bracket to use on the front engine mounts instead of those 8 or 10 mm bolts all four of them. Don't you think is unsafe by doing the way everyone thinks of doing with the 10mm bolts.
1991 TZR250 SP
!993 TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR350 conversion in progress
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#19 Post by ns86 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:20 am

Forget about the ATR bike. Lot's of others without a cradle. Please answer the question. Do "YOU" think the AS Suehiro bikes are safe. None use a cradle. Yes or No?
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#20 Post by giron » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:32 pm

provided the unsafe practice of tapping 10mm bolts to the head and instead using a bracket mounted to the front engine mounts by having a bracket welded to the rail of the frame than "yes". the engine heads were never meant to have the weight of the engine its a joke.

1991 3MA (very rare) TZR250 SP
!993 3XV TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR3MA500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR3MA350 conversion in progress with TZR250SP 3xv suspension
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#21 Post by ns86 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:08 pm

You are a joke. You won't answer the question I asked you?
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#22 Post by giron » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:42 pm

me the joke?. I prefer to be a joke than to sell unsafe items to the ignorant public and putting there life's at risk. you are the joke by having write ups in motorcycle magazines. how much did you pay to have your unsafe practices propagated in the motorcycle world. why don't you do it safe if you have a conscious and recall all the jobs you done. Don't want to do a cradle OK. Why not not a "thick strong bracket" attached to a bracket to frame rails going to the front engine mounts.

1991 TZR250 SP
!993 TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR350 conversion in progress
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
Last edited by giron on Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#23 Post by silverstrom » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:59 pm

Save your breath Dan. You won't get anywhere trying to be rational with him. I don't think he has actually seen for himself a bike without a cradle and how the engine is mounted and the machining involved. He is following on from the misinformed opinion of "his guy" and refuses to accept that TZR framed 500s without cradles have been racing here for decades with great success and no safety issues. I had the parts in my hands the last time this was argued and he refused to accept what I said. It seems there is his way of thinking and nothing else is worth considering, regardless of the facts.

Just walk away Dan. End the debate and let him live with his misconceptions. :smt021

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Re: Wynn's bike

#24 Post by giron » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:56 pm

john that is right. I have seen up close a YZR500 contrary to ATR or who ever they are. I get my information straight from ex members of the KR Yamaha GP team not from want it be dreamers. I will leave it to all the dreamers. If you don't care to do a cradle go look at a CL77 and a CB77 both engines are the same. One model uses a wrap around frame while the other model uses a bracket mounted to the frame to the engine "mounts". You say racing John what kind of racing? Sunday club racing or the real deal no B.S. GP where the likes of Wayne Rainey, or Eddie Lawson rode.

John who is the misguided? I hope this debate opens up the safety factor to the forum members. John do you know what a CL77 or a CB77 is? I do these were my first bikes as a teenager

1991 3MA (very rare) TZR250 SP
!993 3XV TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR3MA500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR3MA350 conversion in progress with TZR250SP 3xv suspension
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#25 Post by ns86 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:38 pm

Wooooh! Now you've crossed the line.

Giron said
I prefer to be a joke than to sell unsafe items to the ignorant public and putting there life's at risk. you are the joke by having write ups in motorcycle magazines. how much did you pay to have your unsafe practices propagated in the motorcycle world. why don't you do it safe if you have a conscious and recall all the jobs you done.
I don't have magazine articles or bike's I've built in the marketplace? Obviously you are "extremely" confused and mistake me for someone else. Please refrain from slander on this forum.
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#26 Post by giron » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:10 pm

If its not you on the magazine articles than I do apologize. I went into my other computer where I keep all the archive pictures. I found NSR500 and YZR500 pictures at Brian's shop. If someone can give me the free hosting site. You will see the bikes with no cradle and no 10mm bolts, but instead brackets to the frames.

1991 TZR250 SP
!993 TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR350 conversion in progress
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
Last edited by giron on Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#27 Post by giron » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:27 pm

I will be posting some very clear pictures of the NS500R and the YZF500R. They don't use a cradle but brackets on each side of the frame like on the TZR250 3MA where the front engine mounts are cast to the engine not with 10mm bolts to the head. Now who ever is doing this unsafe practice of tapping 10mm bolts to the head. They needs to stop since is definitely not safe.

1991 TZR250 SP
!993 TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR350 conversion in progress
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#28 Post by ns86 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:28 am

Giron said
If its not you on the magazine articles than I do apologize.
Do you not believe me? You slander me and then you ad insult as if I am lying and can't even apologize sincerely without conditions. Unbelievable!
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#29 Post by giron » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:03 pm

I apologize if you are not in the magazine. Lets start over and the folks on the forum can read the unsafe practice of using the four 10mm bolts on the head. Now why is it that you and silverstrom can't see the unsafe practice of using 4X10mm bolts as front engine mounts. The RG500 and RZ500 has front engine mounts. Don't you think that if you did the same thing as Honda and Yamaha did by placing a bracket under the rails (an original TZR250 3MA frame) to pick up the front engine mounts. The only reason for the cradle was to pick up the front engine mounts. OK you and and silverstrom are against a cradle. OK you are against. Can't you see the unsafe practice of the 4 ten mm bolts. The heads were never intended to be used as motor mounts. Take the extra time and do the same thing as the factory. Don't take a short cut. People here are reading this and think is right when is not and still unsafe.

1991 TZR250 SP
!993 TZR250 SP
1996 RGV250 (Lucky Strike) export model
1994 MC28 SP (Rothman)
1995 MC28 SP (HRC)
1996 MC28 SP (Repsol)
1985 RG500 (Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500 with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
1985 NS400R (HRC) at Brian's having a MC21 swingarm install
1985 NS400R (Rothman) at Brian's having a NC29 swingarm install
1994 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400 conversion in progress with 1994 GSXR750 forks forks and 1994 GSXR swingarm
TZR500 conversion in progress with YZF750SP forks and TZR250 3XV swingarm
TZR350 conversion in progress
1990 RZ350 VJ22 SP forks TZR250 SP 3XV swinagrm work and pipes by Brian Turfrey
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#30 Post by ns86 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:07 pm

Giron said;
to sell unsafe items to the ignorant public and putting there life's at risk. you are the joke by having write ups in motorcycle magazines. how much did you pay to have your unsafe practices propagated in the motorcycle world. why don't you do it safe if you have a conscious and recall all the jobs you done.Gion,
If its not you on the magazine articles than I do apologize
I apologize if you are not in the magazine.
"IF" ? I am not, can you not understand that by questioning "IF", you are not apologizing. These are serious statements not to be taken lightly. MY bikes were purchased by me and the parts were readily available in the marketplace from RG500.com, Performance Fabrications and ATR. So you defacto slander them too, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Now I am finished
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1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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