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Wynn's bike

#1 Post by giron » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:31 am

It looks like Wynn got his inspiration for his bike from Japan.

http://as-suehiro.a.la9.jp/kuroda.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1991 3MATZR250SP
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1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
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1984 IT490
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Re: Wynn's bike

#2 Post by ns86 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:30 am

Giron said
It looks like Wynn got his inspiration for his bike from Japan.
I am sure he just used the Yamaha USA Speed Block colours and Kenny Roberts YZR as inspiration. Suehiro is well know for their half dozen or so RZV500 powered TZR2503ma Hybrid conversions as shown in the link. I never knew the man but this comment seems a disservice to an RZ500 icon.
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1985 RZ500
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Re: Wynn's bike

#3 Post by Mike Cichetti » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 am

Wyn got his inspiration from watching Kenny race back in the day.

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Re: Wynn's bike

#4 Post by giron » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:53 am

I'm not making a disservice to Wynn. All I'm saying this could have been the idea or inspiration for his bike. I hope this blog stops here now
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
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Re: Wynn's bike

#5 Post by Jeff B » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:15 pm

I would have guess that Wynn's bike would have predated the one in the pic. When I first joined this forum, I don't recall any frame swaps being done.

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Re: Wynn's bike

#6 Post by giron » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:15 pm

when my wife (Japanese) was alive. we called suehiro. apparently this has been going in japan for a while. we must also remember Wynn was an officer in the air force station in Okinawa. He probably saw all of this.
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#7 Post by RC45 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:48 pm

Jeff B wrote:I would have guess that Wynn's bike would have predated the one in the pic. When I first joined this forum, I don't recall any frame swaps being done.
I saw a 3MA swap way back in the day in a 1991 or 1992 Japanese motorcycle magazine. It was a YUUUUGE deal back then. :)
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Re: Wynn's bike

#8 Post by ns86 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:18 pm

That's quite an assumption in the first place; "Looks like, not "perhaps he was influenced by". "Could have been" is of course a possibility but that is not what you said initially and why I took offence. Yellow YZR is Yamaha USA. I think Yamaha USA Speed Block is the obvious intent on his bike. His bike is an RZV custom not a 3ma and the KR influence and tribute is obvious. He thanks an Okinawa shop but not Suehiro. Quite likely the Japanese Hybrid is simply a copy of USA colours. I will shut up now.
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1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
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Re: Wynn's bike

#9 Post by RuZty » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:38 pm

It would be interesting to know how they mounted the engine in the TZR frame.

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Re: Wynn's bike

#10 Post by silverstrom » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:27 pm

RuZty wrote:It would be interesting to know how they mounted the engine in the TZR frame.

The last time that was discussed it turned into a futile pissing contest :smt021

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Re: Wynn's bike

#11 Post by giron » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:51 pm

if anyone took offense from my post. then that is their problem. I can say that when I bought my RZV500. Wynn was station in Okinawa (early 90's) and I corresponded with him. He would write about all the swingarms swaps and front end swaps. The different two strokes available in Japan. Like I said if you took offense then is your problem
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#12 Post by ns86 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:05 am

Typical response from you. I disagree, once again you are the problem. As Silverstrom said before when you Trash Talked ATR; Guy's have been doing fork and swingarm swaps since forever. Wynn was an American Kenny Roberts fan inspired by him as Chichetti said but you have to insist otherwise. So be it. I've been a fan of AS Suehiro for many years.They are a pioneer of these Hybrids and due respect too them but it was a bad example for your opinion. It is not representative of Wynn's bike.

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It would be interesting to know how they mounted the engine in the TZR frame.
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The last time that was discussed it turned into a futile pissing contest :smt021
Let's go there Giron since you are so insistent that a cradle is necessary for a Hybrid to be acceptable. Please show me an AS Suehiro Hybrid with a cradle. Even their NC431v is suspended so why don't you Trash Talk them? Lots of pic's on the web. I'll even make it easy for you, just go here.

http://as-suehiro.a.la9.jp/tzr500v.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1985 RZ500
1986 RG500
1986 RG500 C
1992 RGV500 WW ATR
1992 RGV500 LS
1985 NS500 Spencer p
1989 TZR500 Biaggi p
1984 RZV500 Rainey p
1994 NSR250sp R
1983 NS250 p
1987 RG250 WW p
1983 RG250 p
1988 YSR50 p

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Re: Wynn's bike

#13 Post by giron » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:56 pm

OK I'm not familiar with the NC431v. Honda? Just because suheiro didn't post pictures in their web page it doesn't mean that they didn't use a cradle. seeing how you want to start for lack of a better word discussion on the cradle. Try to use common sense and ask yourself how can two 8mm bolts be used as front engine mounts. Now this application is to be used on a street bike not a bike for the track that can be classified as a throw away. Look at it another way. The RZ500 and RG500 engines did not have two 8mm bolts for front engine mounts. Try to think that you want these engines mounted the way they left that factory. Now anyone who uses two 8mm bolts for front engine mounts. I can say they are taking the easy way out or are just lazy.
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#14 Post by giron » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:59 pm

NS86

Lets go back in time to a CB77 (scrambler) and a CB72 (dream) by the way they are both Honda in case you didn't know. Both bikes were the same year with the same engine except for the cam housing. Now the CB77 the frame was one piece like a cradle. The CB72 was not not. The front engine mount on the CB72 was a "solid bracket" from the frame to the engine mount. Now why can the knowledgeable folks on this forum take a TZR or RGV frame weld a mount on the rail of the frame behind the neck. Then bolt a solid bracket to a bolt to the front engine mounts. I can only think is laziness. This is the only conclusion I can come up with.

I did look at the pictures on the suheiro. you can see a bracket from the rail of the frame to the front engine mount. Maybe just maybe a thicker bolt than a 8mm will work better. You think?
1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
RGV400
TZR500
TZR350
1990 RZ350
1971 Porsche911S

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Re: Wynn's bike

#15 Post by Jeff B » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Seems like a silly discussion to me. A custom builder will mount the motor however they darn well please whether we argue about it or not.

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