How Are These Pipes Made?

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#46 Post by theredbarron » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:24 am

Smoker, the colouring will polish off as it's just a surface oxide. :smt002
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#47 Post by giron » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:44 pm

Hi Smoker

Here are pictures of my RZ350. Brian build the pipes. He fabricated the linkage for a TZR250 3XV SP swingarm. The front end is a VJ22 SP. The wheels are from a VJ22. The mufflers are aluminum and anodized. They came from Japan and RGVSteve did his magic on the mufflers. The pipes are Brian's and they come on at mid range. He understands the difference between race and street. You can see up close the welds. The only maintenance I do is every six months spray some WD40.

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1991 3MATZR250SP
!993 3XVTZR250SP
1996 RGV250(Lucky Strike)
1994 MC28SP
1995 MC28SP
1996 MC28SP
1985 RG500(Walter Wolfe)
1984 IT490
1985 RZV500R
1985 NS400R
1985 NS400R
1997 VFR750
1992 FZR1000
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#48 Post by Smoker » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:19 pm

Not something I want to do - but making pipes with a removable header might be a solution for TiN coating.

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#49 Post by Questo vecchio rz » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:01 am

Based on what you have posted it sounds like you want Titanium crafted exhausts and have them Tin coated as well?
I'm sure your aware that just pipes will probably arrive at around 4-5 thousand dollars for a set of 4. Then Tin coating, I could only guess that at least $500-700.00 per pipe.
That puts you all in @$6000.00 on the low scale & possibly reaching just shy of $8000.00 dollars just for exhuasts? You certainlly don't seem the type to blatantly throw money away foolishly for a totally non functional endevor? Most of what you have done has a reason as well as a personal athsetic appeal.
Are you after just the look? If so, even then provided you can get a deal on Tin coating, why not just Tin coat a set a stainless or mild steel custom or off the shelf pipes, you already have a set of Lomas right?
Just seeing what some aircraft parts or gun slides cost, it sure seems your looking a possibly spending 4k just to Tin coat your pipes? If that's your thing, It's your thing, cant argue what one wants but just checking you haven't lost sense of reality locked in your garage. :smt023
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#50 Post by Smoker » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:22 am

First you think the pipes are horrid.

Now you think the pipes are too expensive.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread. :mrgreen:

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#51 Post by Smoker » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:35 am

Talked to RGVSteve this morning about titanium parts, titanium welding, and custom pipes.

Just wanted to mention Steve got rid of his Sugaya pipes for a pair of BTs mild steel RGV250 pipes. :smt045

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#52 Post by Smoker » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:55 am

I think my only questions now are about the titanium anodizing process.

Need to find out who has experience anodizing pipes.

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#53 Post by Questo vecchio rz » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:33 am

AWW come on man, :grin: Please don't take it as a harsh critisism. I've viewed posts where you trip on someone's choices , the long silencers, the multi colored flake RZ Etc..Its just indaviduality. Were quite similar, we're both heavily detail oriented to a fault...lol.
When I said Honda exhuasts looked good it wasn't about your NS it was your car :grin: The heavy purple NSR 250 pipes looked kinda fake to me, the car exhusat tips look natural, and more refined..again to me. As far as the cost, well Certainlly that's a boat load cash investment in pipes, for anyone of any means.
It just seemed like you were not aware of what Ti pipes cost, the Tin coating no doubt, you know the costs involved there. The natural beauty of metal looks so good, Im slightly puzzled as to why you want the cost of Ti pipes & then cover it up with a more opauqe coating. Perhaps you have a good offer on price, for Ti pipes. I was just basing my estimate for you on what I paid for a Yoshimura 4-1 Duplex system @$1500.00 and that was 20 years ago. You've always recived compliments from me, and I always say it's the indavidual choice for cost or appereance, but sometimes a xtra voice might help, I know others opinions sometimes freshen up my perspective as I can get target fixated.
Anyways keep at it, always enjoy your updates and unashamed desire to learn from others.
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#54 Post by Smoker » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:56 pm

Okay, dreamkiller- here's your answer. :mrgreen:

Stainless pipes vs titanium pipes is not an issue. Like apples vs oranges. Both pipes have their positive points, but in the end will look quite different. When I have all the info, I'll choose whatever is best for the bike.

TiN coating the pipes would cost between 0 and $1,500 (if it's possible). Depends on how many other parts I have, and the size of the chamber. Last time I coated about 350 pieces in 1 load. Lots of small hardware, though.

Sometimes the cost of things can be prohibitive, but I don't limit my hopes and dreams based on money. In the end, it will work out - or it won't. :smt102

Who said anything about RZ500 pipes? :smt017

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#55 Post by Questo vecchio rz » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:36 am

Smoker wrote:Okay,
Who said anything about RZ500 pipes? :smt017
Sorry.my bad I thought this was the Honda Goldwing forum...lol :smt003
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#56 Post by vdrive » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:26 am

well ya know what , their is not one pipe I do not like , I collect them all , I even have a set of 1987 early Tom Crawford RZ500 chambers ..........

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#57 Post by MK » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:04 pm

Smoker, you have a lot of bikes and I wonder how often you'd need to weld something (be it steel, stainless, aluminium or titanium) ?
How about getting yourself a TIG box and start practising ?

For example I currently use a device like this:
http://lcdvision-schweisstechnik.de/D-T ... -processor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When I started, my first training welds didn't look too bad and after a bit more training & investing in specialised equipment it was ok for me.
Ok it's not 100% what people can do after decades of daily work, but I'm satisfied with what I can do now.
After it worked out for steel, I exchanged my welding machine with a AC/DC type and tried in aluminium.
Meanwhile I welded thinks like bike lifters, swingarms, frames/subframes and even a few RZ pipes.

Here's my pipe building manual which explains everything you need to be independent:
http://www.rd350lc.de/index.php/downloa ... bau_V1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(I have done an English version, just can't remember where I had put it for downloading - you can send me a mail if you want it)

My advice: Try on your own and have fun !
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#58 Post by theredbarron » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:07 pm

Keep practicing Martin.
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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#59 Post by Smoker » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:08 pm

Well, Martin- if only I had some time to devote to it. I've certainly had the borrowed TIG welder for long enough.

I'm just starting to be confident with tackwelding, but no way are my welding beads good enough for any custom bike.

Sometimes I can make a great bead, but most of the time it's ugly - and probably not safe.

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Re: How Are These Pipes Made?

#60 Post by Smoker » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:01 am

Been watching Gary Ps Yamaha TSA pipebuilding videos on You Tube.

Lots of good info there.

Here's the first one:

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